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		<title>By: Gus Longman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gus Longman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Dec 2009 15:05:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For some more enlightenment; a friend of mine has written a book called  &quot;God Hates You, Hate Him Back&quot;. A critical look at the Bible and it&#039;s teachings from a rational point of view. Through Amazon. I&#039;m guessing many posters would approve and enjoy the sentiments of the book...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For some more enlightenment; a friend of mine has written a book called  &#8220;God Hates You, Hate Him Back&#8221;. A critical look at the Bible and it&#8217;s teachings from a rational point of view. Through Amazon. I&#8217;m guessing many posters would approve and enjoy the sentiments of the book&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: T</title>
		<link>http://www.nogod.org.nz/2009/12/target-reached/comment-page-1/#comment-431</link>
		<dc:creator>T</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Dec 2009 10:55:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What was the single largest donation so far?</description>
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		<title>By: Shama</title>
		<link>http://www.nogod.org.nz/2009/12/target-reached/comment-page-1/#comment-371</link>
		<dc:creator>Shama</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Dec 2009 03:09:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@shaun Also, ofcourse most of these problems disappear when religion does. What makes you say they wouldn&#039;t?? There is a direct pathway from religion to these evils. It is very likely that if the 9/11 terrorists were born elsewhere devoid of religion teaching them about Jihad, they wouldn&#039;t have been flying those planes. Just as it is extremely likely that this whole Jerusalem saga wouldn&#039;t be going on without religion. Just as it is likely the Crusades would never have happened if Christianity didn&#039;t exist. Including every other holy war ever faught over history BECAUSE OF religion. 

To make my point more clear, the healthiest nations in this world are the least religious (as indicated in this survey here: http://www.gallup.com/poll/114211/Alabamians-Iranians-Common.aspx ) 

Still don&#039;t see a connection?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@shaun Also, ofcourse most of these problems disappear when religion does. What makes you say they wouldn&#8217;t?? There is a direct pathway from religion to these evils. It is very likely that if the 9/11 terrorists were born elsewhere devoid of religion teaching them about Jihad, they wouldn&#8217;t have been flying those planes. Just as it is extremely likely that this whole Jerusalem saga wouldn&#8217;t be going on without religion. Just as it is likely the Crusades would never have happened if Christianity didn&#8217;t exist. Including every other holy war ever faught over history BECAUSE OF religion. </p>
<p>To make my point more clear, the healthiest nations in this world are the least religious (as indicated in this survey here: <a href="http://www.gallup.com/poll/114211/Alabamians-Iranians-Common.aspx" rel="nofollow">http://www.gallup.com/poll/114211/Alabamians-Iranians-Common.aspx</a> ) </p>
<p>Still don&#8217;t see a connection?</p>
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		<title>By: Shama</title>
		<link>http://www.nogod.org.nz/2009/12/target-reached/comment-page-1/#comment-369</link>
		<dc:creator>Shama</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Dec 2009 02:52:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@shaun You&#039;re more misinformed than I initially thought.

If you do some research and get your facts right, you will realise that Mother Theresa did hardly any good in India. In fact, she actively campaigned in India AGAINST the use of contraceptives, which she also famously declared when accepting her Nobel Peace prize. Sickening. She was a barrier against grassroots initiatives in India for the empowerment of women. What India really needs is to give women control over their own body, that&#039;s what will make a difference. 

She also believed in &#039;the spiritual goodness of poverty&#039; and there are countless allegations of forced and coerced baptisms of the dying who were of other religions.

There is also widespread documentation by medical practitioners themselves who witnessed first-hand the horrific standard of medical care in her hospices. 

And as to what she did with the millions donated, I&#039;ll let you you find that out for yourself. Should be enlightening for you. :-) 

As Christopher Hitchens so aptly put it : &quot;One of the most salient examples of people&#039;s willingness to believe anything if it is garbed in the appearance of holiness is the uncritical acceptance of the idea of Mother Teresa as a saint by people who would normally be thinking - however lazily - in a secular or rational manner.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@shaun You&#8217;re more misinformed than I initially thought.</p>
<p>If you do some research and get your facts right, you will realise that Mother Theresa did hardly any good in India. In fact, she actively campaigned in India AGAINST the use of contraceptives, which she also famously declared when accepting her Nobel Peace prize. Sickening. She was a barrier against grassroots initiatives in India for the empowerment of women. What India really needs is to give women control over their own body, that&#8217;s what will make a difference. </p>
<p>She also believed in &#8216;the spiritual goodness of poverty&#8217; and there are countless allegations of forced and coerced baptisms of the dying who were of other religions.</p>
<p>There is also widespread documentation by medical practitioners themselves who witnessed first-hand the horrific standard of medical care in her hospices. </p>
<p>And as to what she did with the millions donated, I&#8217;ll let you you find that out for yourself. Should be enlightening for you. <img src='http://www.nogod.org.nz/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' />  </p>
<p>As Christopher Hitchens so aptly put it : &#8220;One of the most salient examples of people&#8217;s willingness to believe anything if it is garbed in the appearance of holiness is the uncritical acceptance of the idea of Mother Teresa as a saint by people who would normally be thinking &#8211; however lazily &#8211; in a secular or rational manner.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: shaun</title>
		<link>http://www.nogod.org.nz/2009/12/target-reached/comment-page-1/#comment-368</link>
		<dc:creator>shaun</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Dec 2009 02:29:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Matt : isn’t  &quot;it funny how no one complains about weekly tithings spent on praise, but a passive aggresive ‘why don’t you spend the money elsewhere?’ comes out for atheism.&quot;

The context of this article is not about tithings for praise vs. Donations for Bus adds. otherwise, yes I would have said the same thing about tithings....I agree, the two are very similar.

@Shama &quot;Do you not count 9/11 as a real problem? Or the discrimination against gays? Or how the Catholic Church has decreed that condoms are evil in Africa where thousands are dying of Aids?
Or the push for Religion masked as Science in schools? Or the abuse of women who are treated as 2nd class citizens in many religious countries?&quot;

Yes I consider all of these things to be real problems....problems that (IMO) won&#039;t be solved simply by encouraging people to have real discussions on religion....

These problems simply do not disappear when religion does, nor do the countless acts of kindness performed by the millions of individuals who help others in the name of their religion.  Without religion, Mother Theresa would have still been Mother Theresa, and Osama Bin Laden would still have been Osama Bin Laden......its the nature of the person, not the conditioning.......(once again, IMO)

I just think that this is an awfully expensive conversation starter.
and if that is the real purpose of the project, then would you not agree that all the bilboards stating that God Does exist encourage just as much conversation on the topic?  When I see a Theist inspired Add I say WTF? just like I did when I saw this add........misappropriation of funds on both sides..(again IMO)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Matt : isn’t  &#8220;it funny how no one complains about weekly tithings spent on praise, but a passive aggresive ‘why don’t you spend the money elsewhere?’ comes out for atheism.&#8221;</p>
<p>The context of this article is not about tithings for praise vs. Donations for Bus adds. otherwise, yes I would have said the same thing about tithings&#8230;.I agree, the two are very similar.</p>
<p>@Shama &#8220;Do you not count 9/11 as a real problem? Or the discrimination against gays? Or how the Catholic Church has decreed that condoms are evil in Africa where thousands are dying of Aids?<br />
Or the push for Religion masked as Science in schools? Or the abuse of women who are treated as 2nd class citizens in many religious countries?&#8221;</p>
<p>Yes I consider all of these things to be real problems&#8230;.problems that (IMO) won&#8217;t be solved simply by encouraging people to have real discussions on religion&#8230;.</p>
<p>These problems simply do not disappear when religion does, nor do the countless acts of kindness performed by the millions of individuals who help others in the name of their religion.  Without religion, Mother Theresa would have still been Mother Theresa, and Osama Bin Laden would still have been Osama Bin Laden&#8230;&#8230;its the nature of the person, not the conditioning&#8230;&#8230;.(once again, IMO)</p>
<p>I just think that this is an awfully expensive conversation starter.<br />
and if that is the real purpose of the project, then would you not agree that all the bilboards stating that God Does exist encourage just as much conversation on the topic?  When I see a Theist inspired Add I say WTF? just like I did when I saw this add&#8230;&#8230;..misappropriation of funds on both sides..(again IMO)</p>
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		<title>By: Shama</title>
		<link>http://www.nogod.org.nz/2009/12/target-reached/comment-page-1/#comment-363</link>
		<dc:creator>Shama</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Dec 2009 01:15:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@shaun These Ads will encourage debate in society and make people &#039;think&#039;. And that is a huge contribution to any society. 
History is evidence of the necessary changes accomplished by great poeple who were brave enough to go against the norm and bring forth controversial discussions.

This is not so much about changing people&#039;s view of atheists as you put it, but rather to get people to examine their religious beliefs, atleast once, which is very important considering the pedestal religion is given and how so much evil is done in the name of religion around the world. 

Do you not count 9/11 as a real problem? Or the discrimination against gays? Or how the Catholic Church has decreed that condoms are evil in Africa where thousands are dying of Aids?
Or the push for Religion masked as Science in schools? Or the abuse of women who are treated as 2nd class citizens in many religious countries?

How does spending on charity alleviate any of these issues? Only a huge shift in societal mindset can rid us of this archaic &amp; primitive form of control, and as Simon said, little by little, piece by piece, we are trying.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@shaun These Ads will encourage debate in society and make people &#8216;think&#8217;. And that is a huge contribution to any society.<br />
History is evidence of the necessary changes accomplished by great poeple who were brave enough to go against the norm and bring forth controversial discussions.</p>
<p>This is not so much about changing people&#8217;s view of atheists as you put it, but rather to get people to examine their religious beliefs, atleast once, which is very important considering the pedestal religion is given and how so much evil is done in the name of religion around the world. </p>
<p>Do you not count 9/11 as a real problem? Or the discrimination against gays? Or how the Catholic Church has decreed that condoms are evil in Africa where thousands are dying of Aids?<br />
Or the push for Religion masked as Science in schools? Or the abuse of women who are treated as 2nd class citizens in many religious countries?</p>
<p>How does spending on charity alleviate any of these issues? Only a huge shift in societal mindset can rid us of this archaic &amp; primitive form of control, and as Simon said, little by little, piece by piece, we are trying.</p>
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		<title>By: matt</title>
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		<dc:creator>matt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Dec 2009 00:58:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@shaun:
You presume that the bus advert fails if it doesn&#039;t convince people to make spiritual decisions. When you misunderstand, or misrepresent the purpose of the advert like that then of course it doesn&#039;t match up with reality.

The purpose instead is to stimulate discussion on these issues, and rather than winning converts to support non-believers who are underrepresented in society.

Isn&#039;t it funny how no one complains about weekly tithings spent on praise, but a passive aggresive &#039;why don&#039;t you spend the money elsewhere?&#039; comes out for atheism.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@shaun:<br />
You presume that the bus advert fails if it doesn&#8217;t convince people to make spiritual decisions. When you misunderstand, or misrepresent the purpose of the advert like that then of course it doesn&#8217;t match up with reality.</p>
<p>The purpose instead is to stimulate discussion on these issues, and rather than winning converts to support non-believers who are underrepresented in society.</p>
<p>Isn&#8217;t it funny how no one complains about weekly tithings spent on praise, but a passive aggresive &#8216;why don&#8217;t you spend the money elsewhere?&#8217; comes out for atheism.</p>
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		<title>By: simon</title>
		<link>http://www.nogod.org.nz/2009/12/target-reached/comment-page-1/#comment-360</link>
		<dc:creator>simon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Dec 2009 00:52:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Shaun each act/campaign is part of a cumulative progression towards change. Little by little, piece by piece. Raising awareness such as this campaign does is an important part of the process. Thanks for the suggestion of spending money on charity, we&#039;ll look into this type of idea for future campaigns. Of course it&#039;s worth noting here that there are &lt;a href=&quot;http://techskeptic.blogspot.com/2007/12/atheist-charities.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;many secular/atheist charities&lt;/a&gt; out there at the moment.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Shaun each act/campaign is part of a cumulative progression towards change. Little by little, piece by piece. Raising awareness such as this campaign does is an important part of the process. Thanks for the suggestion of spending money on charity, we&#8217;ll look into this type of idea for future campaigns. Of course it&#8217;s worth noting here that there are <a href="http://techskeptic.blogspot.com/2007/12/atheist-charities.html" rel="nofollow">many secular/atheist charities</a> out there at the moment.</p>
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		<title>By: shaun</title>
		<link>http://www.nogod.org.nz/2009/12/target-reached/comment-page-1/#comment-359</link>
		<dc:creator>shaun</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Dec 2009 00:40:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>These adds will do nothing more that Upset a bunch of hyper-sensitive Christians....No one with any sort of intelligence will make spiritual decisions based on a billboard.  Please spend this money on the real problems facing our world instead of this childish little pissing contest.  Spending this money on charity would do much more to change peoples view of atheists. 

If I were you I would follow my own advice....yes &quot;There is probably no God, now stop worrying and get on with YOUR life&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>These adds will do nothing more that Upset a bunch of hyper-sensitive Christians&#8230;.No one with any sort of intelligence will make spiritual decisions based on a billboard.  Please spend this money on the real problems facing our world instead of this childish little pissing contest.  Spending this money on charity would do much more to change peoples view of atheists. </p>
<p>If I were you I would follow my own advice&#8230;.yes &#8220;There is probably no God, now stop worrying and get on with YOUR life&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Philip Smith</title>
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		<dc:creator>Philip Smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Dec 2009 23:27:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Absolutely inspired, I wonder how much flack the organisation is receiving from &#039;the moral minority&#039;
:-}</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Absolutely inspired, I wonder how much flack the organisation is receiving from &#8216;the moral minority&#8217;<br />
:-}</p>
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