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		<title>Comment on The new billboards! by Daniel</title>
		<link>http://www.nogod.org.nz/2010/07/the-new-billboards/comment-page-3/#comment-1754</link>
		<dc:creator>Daniel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Jul 2010 06:51:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>a:
&gt; New Zealand was based on christian principles,

You mean principles like a good Christian man having the God-given right to rape his wife whenever he pleases? (Marital rape finally became illegal in 1985,  1649 years after Rome became Christianised and women ceased be recognised as legal persons.)

&gt; the benefits of christian principles such as freedom, 
&gt; looking after the elderley, the poor and the sick, being
&gt; good neighbours, and friendly etc are all based on the
&gt; judeo-christian principles 

False again. The cherished principles are older than Christianity and have been independently fostered in many places in the word and. Your claim is much like Big Brother claiming that he invented the aeroplane in George Orwell&#039;s 1984.

&gt; of the one true God, “Yehweh”.

You mean the anthropomorphic Judean god Yahweh? What about Elohim, the anthropomorphic Israelite God, head of council of the other gods? Or the invisible nameless God (Sky Computer?) intended to replace the first two when no one had seen them for ages?

&gt; These people who are advertising out of ignorance 
&gt; don’t appreciate the freedoms they have through the
&gt; God that they don’t believe in

I don&#039;t regard the threat of genocide or any other kind of mass-extermination as freedom. David Popescu was bad enough!

&gt; it is insulting to our Christian faith and most of all God.

The behaviour of Christians like you is a more effective debasement of the Christian God than any atheist could manage. Keep it up! We love you!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>a:<br />
&gt; New Zealand was based on christian principles,</p>
<p>You mean principles like a good Christian man having the God-given right to rape his wife whenever he pleases? (Marital rape finally became illegal in 1985,  1649 years after Rome became Christianised and women ceased be recognised as legal persons.)</p>
<p>&gt; the benefits of christian principles such as freedom,<br />
&gt; looking after the elderley, the poor and the sick, being<br />
&gt; good neighbours, and friendly etc are all based on the<br />
&gt; judeo-christian principles </p>
<p>False again. The cherished principles are older than Christianity and have been independently fostered in many places in the word and. Your claim is much like Big Brother claiming that he invented the aeroplane in George Orwell&#8217;s 1984.</p>
<p>&gt; of the one true God, “Yehweh”.</p>
<p>You mean the anthropomorphic Judean god Yahweh? What about Elohim, the anthropomorphic Israelite God, head of council of the other gods? Or the invisible nameless God (Sky Computer?) intended to replace the first two when no one had seen them for ages?</p>
<p>&gt; These people who are advertising out of ignorance<br />
&gt; don’t appreciate the freedoms they have through the<br />
&gt; God that they don’t believe in</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t regard the threat of genocide or any other kind of mass-extermination as freedom. David Popescu was bad enough!</p>
<p>&gt; it is insulting to our Christian faith and most of all God.</p>
<p>The behaviour of Christians like you is a more effective debasement of the Christian God than any atheist could manage. Keep it up! We love you!</p>
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		<title>Comment on The new billboards! by Hamish</title>
		<link>http://www.nogod.org.nz/2010/07/the-new-billboards/comment-page-2/#comment-1752</link>
		<dc:creator>Hamish</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Jul 2010 05:03:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well said Paul :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well said Paul <img src='http://www.nogod.org.nz/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>Comment on The new billboards! by Paul Bennett</title>
		<link>http://www.nogod.org.nz/2010/07/the-new-billboards/comment-page-2/#comment-1751</link>
		<dc:creator>Paul Bennett</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Jul 2010 04:59:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi a,

Firstly, to put you right, New Zealand was actually based on Maori principles and their spiritual beliefs, which have since been overwhelmed by Christian principles through European colonisation and the other faiths that have either arrived here with other immigrants over time.

Secondly, According to the India 2001 census, Hinduism accounts for 80.5% of the population of India.[2] Islam (13.4%), Christianity (2.3%) and Sikhism (1.9%) are the other major religions followed by the people of India. This diversity of religious belief systems existing in India today is a result of, besides existence and birth of native religions, assimilation and social integration of religions brought to the region by traders, travelers, immigrants, and even invaders and conquerors. Stating the hospitality of Hinduism towards all other religions, John Hardon writes, &quot;However, the most significant feature of current Hinduism is its creation of a non-Hindu State, in which all religions are equal;...&quot;[3

Approximately 100 million citizens consider themselves Russian Orthodox Christians, amounting to 70% of population, although the Church claims a membership of 80 million[5][6];also according to a poll by the Russian Public Opinion Research Center, 63% of respondents considered themselves Russian Orthodox, 6% of respondents considered themselves Muslim and less than 1% considered themselves either Buddhist, Catholic, Protestant or Jewish.[7] Another 12% said they believe in God, but did not practice any religion, and 16% said they are non-believers.[7]. It is estimated that Russia is home to 23 million people of Muslim backgrounds, including 1.5 million in Moscow alone.[8][9] The Orthodox Church estimated in 2000 that 20 million Russians were Muslim, while the official census counter around 15 million[10] Russia also has an estimated 3 million to 4 million Muslim migrants from the ex-Soviet states.

The Chinese religious tradition of Three Religions Combining into One which means combining Confucianism, Buddhism and Taoism into one religion was greatly developed during Sui and Tang Dynasty.
After the &quot;opening up&quot; of the 1980s, more religious freedoms were granted, and traditional beliefs like Taoism and Buddhism were supported as an integral part of the Chinese culture. Now Buddhism is the largest and fastest-growing religion in China, thriving throughout the country as the government is allowing it to spread.

Now, here is the answer to your question, Why only “probably” no god?
We decided to stick with the original UK campaign’s message and design. Quite simply, we like it and want to support it.
The UK Campaign used “probably” for two reasons. The first was for legal reasons associated with the use of “probably” in other public advertising campaigns, such as the famous Carlsberg ads – “probably the best lager in the world”. Here “probably” helped to ensure the ads didn’t breach advertising codes in the UK.
The second reason, and the more interesting one, is that “probably” is actually a great word. The use of a modifier such as probably supports the view that although there is no scientific evidence for God’s existence, it’s also impossible to prove that God doesn’t exist – just as it is impossible to prove anything doesn’t exist.
As Richard Dawkins states in The God Delusion, saying “there’s no God” is taking a “faith” position. He writes: “Atheists do not have faith; and reason alone could not propel one to total conviction that anything definitely does not exist”.
His choice of words in the book is “almost certainly”; but while this is closer to what most atheists believe, “probably” is shorter and sweeter, which is helpful for advertising.

Now, to put your statement in some sort of perspective, I&#039;ll let Richard Dawkins put you right! Enjoy!!!
http://www.youtube.com/user/richarddawkinsdotnet?blend=1&amp;ob=4#p/f/60/6mmskXXetcg</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi a,</p>
<p>Firstly, to put you right, New Zealand was actually based on Maori principles and their spiritual beliefs, which have since been overwhelmed by Christian principles through European colonisation and the other faiths that have either arrived here with other immigrants over time.</p>
<p>Secondly, According to the India 2001 census, Hinduism accounts for 80.5% of the population of India.[2] Islam (13.4%), Christianity (2.3%) and Sikhism (1.9%) are the other major religions followed by the people of India. This diversity of religious belief systems existing in India today is a result of, besides existence and birth of native religions, assimilation and social integration of religions brought to the region by traders, travelers, immigrants, and even invaders and conquerors. Stating the hospitality of Hinduism towards all other religions, John Hardon writes, &#8220;However, the most significant feature of current Hinduism is its creation of a non-Hindu State, in which all religions are equal;&#8230;&#8221;[3</p>
<p>Approximately 100 million citizens consider themselves Russian Orthodox Christians, amounting to 70% of population, although the Church claims a membership of 80 million[5][6];also according to a poll by the Russian Public Opinion Research Center, 63% of respondents considered themselves Russian Orthodox, 6% of respondents considered themselves Muslim and less than 1% considered themselves either Buddhist, Catholic, Protestant or Jewish.[7] Another 12% said they believe in God, but did not practice any religion, and 16% said they are non-believers.[7]. It is estimated that Russia is home to 23 million people of Muslim backgrounds, including 1.5 million in Moscow alone.[8][9] The Orthodox Church estimated in 2000 that 20 million Russians were Muslim, while the official census counter around 15 million[10] Russia also has an estimated 3 million to 4 million Muslim migrants from the ex-Soviet states.</p>
<p>The Chinese religious tradition of Three Religions Combining into One which means combining Confucianism, Buddhism and Taoism into one religion was greatly developed during Sui and Tang Dynasty.<br />
After the &#8220;opening up&#8221; of the 1980s, more religious freedoms were granted, and traditional beliefs like Taoism and Buddhism were supported as an integral part of the Chinese culture. Now Buddhism is the largest and fastest-growing religion in China, thriving throughout the country as the government is allowing it to spread.</p>
<p>Now, here is the answer to your question, Why only “probably” no god?<br />
We decided to stick with the original UK campaign’s message and design. Quite simply, we like it and want to support it.<br />
The UK Campaign used “probably” for two reasons. The first was for legal reasons associated with the use of “probably” in other public advertising campaigns, such as the famous Carlsberg ads – “probably the best lager in the world”. Here “probably” helped to ensure the ads didn’t breach advertising codes in the UK.<br />
The second reason, and the more interesting one, is that “probably” is actually a great word. The use of a modifier such as probably supports the view that although there is no scientific evidence for God’s existence, it’s also impossible to prove that God doesn’t exist – just as it is impossible to prove anything doesn’t exist.<br />
As Richard Dawkins states in The God Delusion, saying “there’s no God” is taking a “faith” position. He writes: “Atheists do not have faith; and reason alone could not propel one to total conviction that anything definitely does not exist”.<br />
His choice of words in the book is “almost certainly”; but while this is closer to what most atheists believe, “probably” is shorter and sweeter, which is helpful for advertising.</p>
<p>Now, to put your statement in some sort of perspective, I&#8217;ll let Richard Dawkins put you right! Enjoy!!!<br />
<a href="http://www.youtube.com/user/richarddawkinsdotnet?blend=1&amp;ob=4#p/f/60/6mmskXXetcg" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/user/richarddawkinsdotnet?blend=1&amp;ob=4#p/f/60/6mmskXXetcg</a></p>
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		<title>Comment on The new billboards! by a</title>
		<link>http://www.nogod.org.nz/2010/07/the-new-billboards/comment-page-2/#comment-1749</link>
		<dc:creator>a</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Jul 2010 04:11:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>. I think its discusting to advertise the fact that there &quot;Probably is no God&quot;. New Zealand was based on christian principles, and the benefits of christian principles such as freedom, looking after the elderley, the poor and the sick, being good neighbours, and friendly etc are all based on the judeo-christian principles of the one true God, &quot;Yehweh&quot;. These people who are advertising out of ignorance don&#039;t appreciate the freedoms they have through the God that they don&#039;t believe in, and should go to a god-less country like India, Russia, China etc, where their sign would be appreciated. We live in this beautiful city in CHRISTchurch, and it is insulting to our Christian faith and most of all God. To spend thousands of dollars on a billboard that says there &quot;probably is no god&quot; - they are not even sure about what they believe themselves - seems absolutely ludacrous!!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>. I think its discusting to advertise the fact that there &#8220;Probably is no God&#8221;. New Zealand was based on christian principles, and the benefits of christian principles such as freedom, looking after the elderley, the poor and the sick, being good neighbours, and friendly etc are all based on the judeo-christian principles of the one true God, &#8220;Yehweh&#8221;. These people who are advertising out of ignorance don&#8217;t appreciate the freedoms they have through the God that they don&#8217;t believe in, and should go to a god-less country like India, Russia, China etc, where their sign would be appreciated. We live in this beautiful city in CHRISTchurch, and it is insulting to our Christian faith and most of all God. To spend thousands of dollars on a billboard that says there &#8220;probably is no god&#8221; &#8211; they are not even sure about what they believe themselves &#8211; seems absolutely ludacrous!!!!</p>
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		<title>Comment on The new billboards! by Paul Bennett</title>
		<link>http://www.nogod.org.nz/2010/07/the-new-billboards/comment-page-2/#comment-1694</link>
		<dc:creator>Paul Bennett</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Jul 2010 08:57:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi All

If you want to get an idea of what our fellow atheists are up to in the uk, then check out their site at:

http://www.atheistcampaign.org/

I loved the latest bill board ad concerning children!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi All</p>
<p>If you want to get an idea of what our fellow atheists are up to in the uk, then check out their site at:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.atheistcampaign.org/" rel="nofollow">http://www.atheistcampaign.org/</a></p>
<p>I loved the latest bill board ad concerning children!</p>
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		<title>Comment on The new billboards! by Daniel</title>
		<link>http://www.nogod.org.nz/2010/07/the-new-billboards/comment-page-2/#comment-1660</link>
		<dc:creator>Daniel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Jul 2010 02:36:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Vicki-Lee:
&gt; What if you’re wrong?

Every time you use Pascal&#039;s Wager, God tortures and burns a kitten.

Please, think of the kittens!

[Credits to Pipeline for conveying this meme to me.]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Vicki-Lee:<br />
&gt; What if you’re wrong?</p>
<p>Every time you use Pascal&#8217;s Wager, God tortures and burns a kitten.</p>
<p>Please, think of the kittens!</p>
<p>[Credits to Pipeline for conveying this meme to me.]</p>
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		<title>Comment on The new billboards! by Hamish</title>
		<link>http://www.nogod.org.nz/2010/07/the-new-billboards/comment-page-2/#comment-1659</link>
		<dc:creator>Hamish</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Jul 2010 02:05:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Vikki-Lee,
What if we&#039;re wrong? Well just like Dawkins, If I was confronted by a God and questioned why I didn&#039;t live life believing in him, I would answer &quot;Just not enough evidence&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Vikki-Lee,<br />
What if we&#8217;re wrong? Well just like Dawkins, If I was confronted by a God and questioned why I didn&#8217;t live life believing in him, I would answer &#8220;Just not enough evidence&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>Comment on The new billboards! by Paul Bennett</title>
		<link>http://www.nogod.org.nz/2010/07/the-new-billboards/comment-page-2/#comment-1658</link>
		<dc:creator>Paul Bennett</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Jul 2010 01:00:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Vikki-Lee,

I could answer this, but Richard Dawkins does it so well!!!

http://www.youtube.com/user/richarddawkinsdotnet?blend=1&amp;ob=4#p/f/60/6mmskXXetcg

Enjoy</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Vikki-Lee,</p>
<p>I could answer this, but Richard Dawkins does it so well!!!</p>
<p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/user/richarddawkinsdotnet?blend=1&amp;ob=4#p/f/60/6mmskXXetcg" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/user/richarddawkinsdotnet?blend=1&amp;ob=4#p/f/60/6mmskXXetcg</a></p>
<p>Enjoy</p>
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		<title>Comment on The new billboards! by Vicki-Lee</title>
		<link>http://www.nogod.org.nz/2010/07/the-new-billboards/comment-page-2/#comment-1656</link>
		<dc:creator>Vicki-Lee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Jul 2010 00:24:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What if you&#039;re wrong?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What if you&#8217;re wrong?</p>
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		<title>Comment on The new billboards! by Tom</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Jul 2010 03:00:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was so stoked when I saw the &quot;In the beginning..&quot; one. Really made my day. 
I&#039;ll be making a donation for sure.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was so stoked when I saw the &#8220;In the beginning..&#8221; one. Really made my day.<br />
I&#8217;ll be making a donation for sure.</p>
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